It’s Not about the Money

by fortytwo6x7


Writing about other people’s Blogs is not really my thing. Yes, i will leave comments and read but I have never sat down to write a reply. I have no intention of doing that now but it is relevant to state I read a “article” that was madder than a bucket of monkeys the other day and I intend bringing some rational thought to the subject matter. I will not rip the thing apart into little peaces and correct every erroneous “fact” so if I have not challenged a portion it is not because I think it is correct, merely that there is enough rubbish in this “thing” to provide about 6 blog pieces for the necessary corrections. Why am I bothering at all ? it brought up some issues that should be addressed. It was titled

FeMRA’s cashing in on the Detroit Conference Gravy Train 

It was concocted by Diana Boston AKA “Feminist of Doom” and peanut butter apparently.  

Peanut Butter ? this should be your first “Trigger Warning” for Deja Moo, when you know you have heard this type of bullshit before. Anyway, a quick bit of background. A Voice For Men are hosting the first ever International Conference on Men’s Issues in Detroit. The very fact that people will be getting up on a stage and talking about things like Domestic Abuse from a perspective that is not Male Abuser Female victim, Male suicide rates, Male homelessness from a perspective that is not blaming the victims was enough for some Feminists to phone in Death Threats. The threats included direct action and protests by people inside the hotel disguised as guests. These threats were not limited to the organisers, or even the speakers. These went on to include those attending the event. One would think it would stop there however it continued on to include those working in the hotel. This extending of the list of Legitimate Targets to include people who work for a company that provides a service to the “enemy” is actually not a new concept. It is common practice for Terrorist Organasations such as The Irish Republican Army, who used this to ligitimise the murder Milk Men and builders.

Legitimate Targets

A term that was initially used by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) to indicate those groups, organisations, etc, that could be attacked, and members killed, as part of the IRA’s ‘armed campaign’. The list of ‘legitimate targets’ included not only members of the British security forces (British Army, Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), RUC, etc.) but also civilians who worked for the security forces.


The hotel having a duty of care to its guests and employees demanded A Voice For Men pay for Policing Costs and provide insurance for the event to the value of 2 million dollars. The cost of this was 25 thousand dollars. AVFM opened a fundraiser, they had little choice. The fundraiser was open to feminists outraged by the threat of violence in there name for 24 hrs. This was done so they at least had a opportunity to show in a meaningful way that they felt this action was wrong. I believe three, yes three people donated $ 25. Truly, thank you those three people. In the next 24 hrs the necessary £24,025 were raised.


Three Honey Badgers (Female Men’s Rights Advocates) had also decided to set up a table in the hotel reception. There aim was to attempt to defuse any situation that may arise and also show any visiting media journalists that the perception that the Mens Rights Movement was purely white middle class men was in fact untrue. These ladies also intend to stand between any protesters and the male attendees in order to show any aggression was brought not by violent men, but by violent women. Due to the escalating threat it was decided the original three, Alison Tieman, Hannah Wallen and Karen Straung would be joined by Kristal Garcia, Rachel Edwards and Jess Kay. Honey Badger radio set up a fundraiser to get the three ladies there. The cost would be around $ 5,000. This was again reached in a day.


This is the gravy train Diana Boston claims the honey badgers are riding.


Being a working class man from Belfast Northern Ireland I am not to familiar with conference etiquette. However I can make some educated guesses. It is safe to assume that if a person is attending because they, for example work for the government or a large body involved with that conference they would be in fact classed as working. If they were on a salaried income they would be getting paid. If they were on hourly pay there would be a agreed payment for attending. Their air fair and accommodation would be provided. I doubt there is anyone that goes to a conference in a official capacity and finds themselves out of pocket. I would also hazard a guess that some people who are “front and center” of a conference command a Hefty fee. That is without the very real possibility of coming face to face with a baying mob. So would anyone really expect these ladies to pay their own way at short notice ? Certainly no one within this movement would. This is a legitimate expense and also a way those who want to feel part of this event can do for $ 5.


I would also state that people involved with the Mens Rights Movement do not tent to be affluent. We, by in large belong to a class of people that by necessity plan travel in advance and save up for it. We therefore realise the very real problem faced by the three badgers and were only too happy to donate the small amount of free cash we had to get these people to the conference. This was a one shot time where our collective $ 10 or $ 20 could make a real difference. Not only that but you got free stuff for “donating” its like buying a concert t shirt when you could not get to the concert. Yes, there was the mad 20K bid for dinner with Raven Moon Dragon (the Feminist alter ego of Alison Tieman) but nobody believed that was genuine for a second. So I ask where else was the money going to come from ?


Not from the Government, thats for sure.  Perhaps if you worked in or ran a Domestic Violence Shelter, you could divert funds and send a “delegate” to a “Conference”.  Perhaps if you worked as a teacher in “gender studies” you could find a reason the Government or collage should fund it. If you were part of a over funded movement there are hundreds of ways to get those ladies there for free. However the only reason there is a Men’s Rights Movement at all is because people knew it was needed and gave there time, there abilities, all they had to make it happen. They do it not for the money, power or fame. They do it because its what they believe to be right.


The plus side to this is, people can speak there mind without the fear of loosing the Government funding.


However, in this underfunded movement there actually is a fund, sitting doing nothing. In fact Honey Badger Radio contributed $1,000 to it. As did AVFM, as did CAFE. The thing that strikes me is this. Currently there is a $4,000 reward fund sitting waiting for anyone with information leading to the arrest and prosecution of anyone involve in the “attack”  on Queens University Student Danielle D’Entremont.  She claims to have been attacked because of her Feminist Ideology. She claims to have been attacked by one of us, a Men’s Rights Activist. There have been repeated calls for a feminist organasation, any feminist organasation to put money into a pot to secure justice for Danielle. There has been silence about this initiative.  This fund has been dormant for months as neither her, or the university has been willing to actually engage with the police to secure a conviction. Now if you were to raid that fund, redistribute the $ 500 Alison Teiman donated to the original appeal due to insurance and policing costs you are almost there. You would now be talking about each badger raising $ 83.


So, if this is all about the money and the freebees why is this not the chosen plan. Its simple, the Men’s Rights Movement is not about the money. Its not about the power or fame. Its about doing what is right, whatever the personal consequences.